[Marc Ouellette speaking]: Uh, yeah, Randy’s... 

[Steven Conway speaking]: Randy’s great. Randy Nichols.

[Marc Ouellette speaking]: Randy Nichols. Matt Payne’s not here. 

[Steven Conway speaking]: Yeah, he’s not.

[Marc Ouellette speaking]: Yeah, and he’s so busy and everything, I never get a chance to talk to him. I hadn’t seen him … he was here last year, and I hadn’t seen Matt in probably three or four years. He’s a really good guy; I really admire his work. Nina Huntemann’s work is really influential on my own. David Leonard from Washington State; his work is really influential on mine. And he’s a really, really generous guy. And then none of my work happens, and I have to get this plug in, none of my work happens without Alex Doty. And I miss Alex. And everybody who knew Alex misses Alex. And so … I have to get that plug in, even though he wasn’t a game scholar.

[Steven Conway speaking]: And I suppose, yeah, actually then I’ve completely forgotten … someone, yeah, because … reminded me of Esther MacCallum-Stewart. She was a keynote at a conference that I founded called “Under the Mask: Perspectives on the Gamer” conference. Two other keynotes who I find fascinating scholars are Tanya Krzywinska, who used to be president of DiGRA. Really great foundational scholar in game studies, diehard Baudrillardian, which I can sympathize with … and Garry Crawford, who is just, yeah, committed to his bottom-up approach to play, that it begins with the player, not the game. And he’s done fantastic work. And he’s one of the only scholars working in sport … sport games. You know, and I’m the only one who’s got a PhD in it. I don’t think anyone's talking about sports video games even though we all know that some of the bestsellers continuously year in, year out … and Brett Hutchins, and Brett Hutchins is phenomenal and he comes from outside that area.

[Marc Ouellette speaking]: And I just want to remind him that we had talked … we were supposed to write a paper together on sport and games.

[Steven Conway speaking]: Yes, yes, we are …

[Marc Ouellette speaking]:  You did promise that … 

[Steven Conway speaking]: Yes, I did promise that. The hockey …

[Marc Ouellette speaking]: I did promise that. The football, and by that I mean soccer …

[Steven Conway speaking]: Ha, that’s right [laughs] No, no, no, you mean football.

[Marc Ouellette speaking]: How they animate the bodies falling in soccer is awesome. So anyway, we also forgot Kevin Moberly. Because Kevin … Kevin might be the smartest one of us.

[Steven Conway speaking]: For all his bluster.

[Marc Ouellette speaking]: He may be the smartest one of us. And he’d never let on, but he may well be.

[Steven Conway speaking]: Definitely the most interesting in certain ways, yeah. 

[Marc Ouellette speaking]: Yeah.